Reminder: The department will no longer mail new licenses. Instead, the department has implemented a new process that will allow licensees to print their licenses by logging into their secure online account. This will cut 7-10 business days off the process. This same process will allow licensees to renew on-line as well.
Tuesday August 7th, 2018
Exams & CE Committee
Usual nothing out of ordinary.
Wednesday, August 8th, 2018
Did Not Attend.
Additional Entity Committee Division II
Application Review Committee Division II
Thursday, August 9, 2018
Probation Committee Division II
Did not attend.
Final Action Committee Division II
Did not attend.
Final Action Committee Division I & II
Final Action Committee Division I
Did not attend.
Probation Committee Division I
Did not attend.
Additional Entity Committee Division I
Nothing unusual to report. Same requirements. It is interesting to see how some people change their application while in the meeting.
Application Review Committee Division I
Nothing unusual to report.
Friday, August 10, 2018
Two key rules were discussed. Industrial License Rule # 61G4-15.039 and the New rule for 61G4-15.045 Certification of Residential Roofing Specialty Contractor.
CILB Council gave a rules update.
61G4-15.0021, Business Organizations. a proposed to change the terms of when a license who wishes to qualify a 2nd or 3rd entity would have to appear before the board. The proposal would strike the 50% rule for ownership (present and proposed business organizations), add that applicants with 20% or greater ownership of the proposed business organization will not have to appear before the board if the applicant otherwise qualifies for approval. In addition, the board would delegate authority to the Executive Director and/or Board Chair to waive mandatory appearance requirements where applicants are in compliance with Rule 61G4-15.0024, F.A.C. Lastly, the proposed change would require any applicant seeking to qualify three (3) or more business organizations, regardless of percent of ownership, to appear before the board. The proposed language amendment is in the regulatory process.
61G4-15.032 Cleaning up the language in this rule which still needed an affidavit of experience. The requirement of affidavit was removed. Became effective 06/28/18.
61G4-15.004 Licensure by Endorsement The regulatory process going on.
After this brief information, Mr. Boyette opened the floor and invited Mr. Bruce Kushner to brief for rule 61G4-15.039. and then discuss the language for the new rule for Residential Roofing contractor license 61G4-15.045
61G4-15.039 Certification of Industrial Facility Specialty Contractors.
- Scope of Rule. The purpose of this rule is to provide for certification of industrial facility specialty contractors as a limited subset of the general contractor.
- An industrial facility specialty contractor is a contractor who is qualified and certified by the board to perform any work involving the construction, repair, demolition, modification, and alteration of uninhabitable industrial structures used solely to house manufactured industrial equipment being installed therein by the contractor for energy production, gas production, or chemical production; and construction of habitable or uninhabitable attached accessory use structures not exceeding 1,500 square feet used solely to house related operating and controlling equipment. An industrial facility specialty contractor shall be unlimited in his or her ability to enter contracts for the scopes of work described herein and who may perform such work permitted under this rule, except as otherwise expressly provided in section 489.113, F.S.
- An industrial facility specialty contractor shall be required to subcontract all work above that falls within the scopes of work set forth in sections 489.105(3)(b)-(p) or 489.505, F.S., or for fire protection systems under section 633.318, F.S., to a licensee who holds a state certification or registration in the respective category of work.
- Nothing in this rule shall be deemed to restrict or limit in any manner the scope of work authorized by law of other contractor classifications.
Just for quick reference the rule, I have highlighted the wordings in the rule that is the point of discussion. Bruce Kushner presented the following
- Recently the board has been issuing this license to anyone who is looking for doing industrial work including installation of baggage handling equipment at airports.
- Shaw informed that there are 17 licenses issued out of which 5 were recently issued.
- Bruce informed that he will be doing some further research on the people who were issued these licenses and find out what type of work they were being engaged in.
- Asked for more time to work with staff and do some further research.
The entire board agreed to the need of revising the language.
The next discussion was for the new residential roofing license.
- FRSA- Florida Roofing and Sheet Metal Contractors Association was there to oppose the said proposal
- They presented some information to the board, showing some defective works and why there should not be the residential license
- They said that any roofing contractor must have knowledge of crickets, connection, installation methods for all types of roofs etc.
- They argued that the issue is not about licensed contractors but about the need of skilled workers.
- They argued that they must call for a General Contractor for any Truss repairs.
- They said that single family residences are not just shingle or tile roofs. They do have low slope roofs and even flat roofs.
- Their contention was that they were being isolated and singled out by creating this category.
- They said that when reroofing is done, and there are connections between steep slope roof and flat roofs one must have all the experience.
- Requested board to show the shortage of roofing contractors.
- Main issue is workers, workers with workers compensation insurance.
- Architects are not the only solutions, and that the roofing contractor must know the details and solutions for any condition.
- More concerned of unlicensed contractors and that the inspectors should be checking the license of the roofers working.
- Board Members Comments
- Kane: It is responsibility of the architect or the designer to give the details of the cricket etc. Not a rocket science. He also asked how many roofers in realty are on the roof are in fact installing the roofs.
- Shelly: The need is protecting the citizens. It is better to have more licensed contractors and by creating this category some of these will qualify. She clarified that they recently had to deny license just because they did not have the commercial experience, but they had enough residential roofing experience. Also, law does not need commercial experience.
- Boyette: Commercial roofer has better knowledge in dealing with crickets, type of crickets’ problems etc. Lessening the requirement for licensing could be a possibility, however, the reroofing projects are more difficult and complex.
- Dan Biggins: To the board members, review the experience requirements and see what can be done.
- Past Board Member Mr. Carl: In the current market no one does built-up roof. Getting experience of built-up roof is impossible as now a day no one does these roofs any more.
- Conclusion: Mr. Boyette said that the board will review the material and information provided by the FRSA. They would like to discuss this with staff and other experts before they make the decision. The encouraged public and all participants to share their views with the staff and discuss in the next meeting.
Over all it was an interesting conversation.
Friday, August 15, 2018
I, II and III, Call to order, Invocation Pledge and Review of past meeting minutes. – Normal
Executive Directors Report:
Prosecuting Attorney’s Report:
Normal- Case load numbers and thanked the board for their continued support.
Attorney General’s Report:
There were total 14 cases out of which there were 3 for declaratory statements. Upon request they started with the declaratory statements and then took other cases. Notes only from the declaratory statements are noted here.
- Declaratory Statement from Timothy Warren: This was for the replacement of the existing backflow prevention assembly. The issue was that the building department was okay, but the fire department was not okay. The board declined to comment stating that it is the two departments issue. The board cannot give opinion on what the Fire Marshal’s office requires one to do.
- Declaratory Statement from Anthony Bono, seeking variance in the validation of the licensure results from 4 years to more than 10 years. He had taken the exams more than 10 years back. – The Board Denied his request.
- Declaratory Statement from Diane Moore or Pensacola Natural Gas Service, wanted to know if the UG contractor can be contracted to install the gas lines. This was an interesting discussion. The board considered this and said that there was a standing.
Petitioner Presentation and comments.
- PNC wanted to know who could they hire for installing these gas pipes in public ROW and to the customer’s meter?
- The gas pipe work fell into UG and Plumbing contractors scope of work.
- They informed that their requirements for connection to the meter and pressurizing the pipe with gas must be done by an installer who is trained as per Federal requirements.
- They informed that they must meet all the federal and state requirements for pressurized pipes that carry pressurized gas.
- They informed that their contract documents mandate that the contract has trained and approved installers for gas meters and connections.
Board Members Discussion
- UG contractors are not trained for gas pipe installation.
- UG contracts may run the pipe for say electrical cables, but they are not the one that is installing the electrical meter.
- UG contractor is the one who can work with various utilities if there are any issues while laying these lines in he ROW.
- There is always company inspector supervising the work when the meter connection is done.
Conclusion: UG contractors can be contracted to install UG gas pipelines and up to the customer meter and make that connection.
Rules/Public Legislative Committee:/ Probation